Doug is a STAND UP guy & smart too.

RIP Zumbo

Hey Armed Citizen,

I'm a little baffled by your split post. I assume you pulled the first part of the post from what somebody else wrote, but the way it was presented sounds like your thoughts until you get to the end. Might want to keep that in mind in future posts so as to keep folks from confusing you as an anti.

As for the "dustbin of history." We're all headed for it my friend.

See you on the other side.

I see you ignore the subject and focus on the trivial.
Elmer Fudds are "terrorist snipers" with murder "weapons of mass distruction". Now, you are on your own. Good luck.

Too bad there is no right to hunt. The Constitution protects my right to ARMS! Not elmer fudd guns. Hunting and sport shooting can be legally banned at any time.
I suggest your read the USSC case v. Miller. Which clearly explains that ANY weapon not having a vaild MILITIA purpose is not proteced by the 2nd Amendment and can be banned.
Militia based on the
Swiss model. A MILITARY rifle in every home.

Boycott outdoor life and ALL of its sponsors!

Doug,
OK, you had me with “Relax dude….Mondays a holiday”. But you started to lose me at “I can't help but laugh at some of the stupid, ill-informed comments that are being spouted at the same time. Either way, it's all entertaining.”

I can’t defend all of the replies totaling 3500 to 4000 on his offensive blog entry or the 1500 to 2000 replies on his “apology”. There would be more if the blog was not taken offline. I would guess it was a mix of anger, humor, sarcasm, and hate mail possibly lacking of taste.

Regardless of what the general community may have been provoked to say, Zumbos comments were of the worst kind. They touched a nerve that is very sensitive at the moment. I can understand you do not want to be quick to judge him. For you that is an honorable thing to do and that is very kind of you.

For the rest of us the wound is deep and considered by many to be unforgivable. He expressed the same mindset of many weak people have that it is acceptable to lose your freedom and liberty one small piece at a time. He was willing to sell us out because it was not a freedom HE enjoyed. Again that is another terrible act, to hold the belief that other people’s freedom does not have merit. This shows little respect for others and worse yet little respect for the people profits from.

I hope this invokes some empathy in you that you can understand how I think many people feel about this.

I answer your other questions. I heard about this on Getoffthex.com ( http://getoffthex.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/998104881/m/1161063072 ). Getoffthex is a small community of Law Enforcement, Military, and civilian/Private Military Contractors. You will need to create an account and it is advisable to introduce yourself on the Premium Members forum.

I also heard about this on AR15.com ( http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=548211 ). That thread is currently up to 51 pages. I was surprised. Many would advice you to take AR15.com with a grain of salt. There are many people there from all walks of life.

I hate to have a closed mind. I also would not want to be quick to judge and quick to anger, worse yet toward somebody I know little about. But many people see this as an active war zone, and you need to discern friend and foe. Zumbo was in a position of respect and trust, and now we discover he is not a friend but he is a foe. The damage is great.

Here is what the Brady Campaign has to say: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=88508969&blogID=231738183&MyToken=b78d8cde-11c1-447e-82ba-73d10ed74753

The irony is Zumbo thought his guns are safe, but the next day here is what the Brady Campaign had to say about that: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=88508969&blogID=231968340&MyToken=b78d8cde-11c1-447e-82ba-73d10ed74753

Yep, those “Sniper Rifles” are indistinguishable for every hunter’s rifle. Just food for thought.

Doug,
“Armed Citizens” text was copied form the Brady Campaigns Myspace page and blog. Where just a day after Zumbos post they wanted to clear the streets of “Sniper Rifles”. But of course those are just about every rifle any hunter would use.

This all feeds into the classic method of divide and conquer. If we don’t all stand up for each other then we all lose. There can be no exception. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and self defense was the main argument to have firearms. How would a hunter fair? There is little argument for an ordinary citizen to have a weapon that can reach out 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards in a self defense scenario.

It is nothing more then an illusion that any of us are safe from these people that do not respect our liberty and freedom. The battle is at hand and we cannot afford to all run in separate directions. It takes cohesion to prevail! Small fissures in our unity, if left unattended to, will destroy us.

Since you brought up Haiku, there is a Japanese saying “The nail that stands up get hammered down.” Unfortunately, Zumbo stood up, and for the worst thing.

“Elmer Fudd” is a negative and divisive term that should not be used as we are all gunmen and only serves to divide us, making us weaker. It refers to the character in the “Bugs Bunny” cartoons that is known for the theme song “KILL DA WABBIT”. The connotation is a person and his senseless killing of animals, or a stupid hunter. In this case a hunter that does not understand where his liberty to hunt comes from.

Identifing traits of Elmer Fudds are an irrational fear of thier own Constitutional rights, the word Militia, and a delusion of a fictitious "right" to hunt.
John kerry is an elmer fudd. He mistakenly "thinks" there is a "right" to hunt, but fears ARMS and Militia.

Elmer Fudds are cancer on the 2nd Amendment and the Liberty of American gun owners and Patriots.
Brady campaign loves elmer fudds 'cus their stupid and easily misled.

Well, let us just say the hunters have been hoodwinked and led to believe theirs is the right that paves the way to gun ownership. Thus they were manipulated into thinking non-hunters and people that could form a Militia were piggybacking on the rights the hunters secured. Thus the hunters could be persuaded into thinking non-hunters were of questionable intent and potentially evil. This is again a tactic to divide gun owners and erode our collective freedom.

An irony here is that hunting is not being passed down the generations like it used to be and the hunting community is shrinking. Compare that to the self defense and tactical communities that are growing at a very fast rate. The CCW is “Must Issue” in a large majority of states and the feeling of outside threads to citizens is driving a need to arm and secure themselves and their families. It may be just a matter of time before the pendulum swings and the 2nd Amendment is viewed for its true meaning, a Peoples Militia, to aid the government helping to secure the Nation and to help secure the People from despots and tyrants in the government.

I think I can see only one way out for Zumbo. And that’s to wrap his arms around the “Black Rifle” crowd in a way that would make us all love him.

How could he do it?

He would have to buy an AR15 then mill out the selector shelf inside the lower receiver. Then drill the auto sear hole. Install M16 parts and take it to the range to test it out and make sure it works. Then lawyer up and turn himself in to the ATF. Press the courts on States Rights (like Stewart) and the 2nd Amendment. Fight it all the way to the Supreme Court if need be. You would see the biggest about-face and open arms from every one he pissed off. He would be a hero to us all.

Really he needs to ask himself, does he want to come back for us or for himself. He is losing a lot but maybe he is out of touch and it’s time to move on. He has got a hard choice and some real soul searching to do.

Mr. Zumbo fully admits that he is "ignorant", "hasn't a clue" and "been living in a vacuum." Yet he then proceeds to call these rifles "terrorist" rifles. The very rifles that are used by our police and military.

How can someone be a gunwriter for so long and not notice the proliferation of super-accurate ARs on the bench?

His apology was pathetic, at best, and he won't address the sticking points of many people. He was "tired?" C'mon!

His letter couln't have been better written had Ted Kennedy himself written it. It has been seized upon by THE premier gun-control lobbyist organization- an organization that has a stated goal of taking Mr. Zumbo's coveted scoped hunting rifle as well as the evil black rifle he is so fearful of.

Mr. Zumbo is, in the truest sense of the definition, a "Fudd." He believes that his gun rights begin and end with his gun, and his gun only. An ignorant and truly dangerous position.

Be warned- when the gun control crowd comes for your hunting rifles (and they will, just look at England), all the hunters who lambasted owners of military rifles will find themselves alone, for they will have already thrown everyone else to the wolves in the vain attempt to save themselves.

This post is in relation to:
Posted by: Adam | February 19, 2007 at 08:53 PM
Sunday, February 18, 2007
The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles
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Not every rifle with a scope is able to "blow through the body armor cops wear."

Your question, "Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles?" should have read, "Does the Second Amendment protect sniper's rifles?" Ans: Yes.

Your simply being economical with the truth (i.e. a liar) to assert the the NRA "certainly thinks" the Second Amendment protects LEO murderers. I have been associated with the NRA for years, and not once in that time have they advocated the murdering of law enforcement officers. Really sir, I think you drink WAY too much coffee being going "ballistic" with your presuppositions and extremist agenda.

I find your problem isn’t with rifles per se, but rather with those individuals that would murder LEO's. I commend you for your stance to protect Law Enforcement Officers, but law abiding hunters and rifles with scopes are not the problem. The true problem lies with individuals such as yourself, who would penalize law abiding citizens with your extremist views on gun control, which incidentally your views also match the extremist views of those politicians mentioned in your post (e.g. Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama). By the way, thanks to you, none of these individuals will receive my vote in any election.

I also surmise from your post that you either do not hunt or dislike hunting and hunters. Again, you allow your agenda to blind your common sense as well as not suffer the actual individual responsible for your concerns, which is the criminal and not the law abiding citizens that own firearms. The problem lies with the individual intent on forcing his criminality onto others. Please actually get off your butt this week and go speak with several LEO's (i.e. cops). I am sure you will find the vast majority do NOT agree with your extremist views.

I must say that never has a law abiding citizen used a rifle with a scope to murder anyone. The Law Enforcement Officers I deal with each week do not hold the same views as you do; therefore, I find your “facts” suspect and strikingly in-line with your extremist agenda.

If you are a Law Enforcement Officer, and your reading this post, please know that I have several rifles with scopes on them and I have NEVER had an inclination to use these rifles on any person, but there are several deer, rabbits, squirrels, et cetera that never knew what hit them. One doe, which was legally taken during an extended doe season, was confirmed to have been 93 yards away. She dropped less than ten feet from impact. I would have NEVER been able to make such a clean kill without a scope.

Sir, scoped rifles protect cruelty (giggle) to animals, they do not “kill cops.”.

Gang,

Another Outdoor Life writer has come out saying he wants "assualt weapons" banned. Below is an email he sent regarding his support of Zumbo and the banning of "assault weapons":

"Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae"

I am glad to see that Doug supports us, but it is obvious that Outdoor Life has multiple anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment writers on staff that need to be fired. My position remains the same, I will boycott this publication and any advertiser until McRae and Zumbo are FIRED!

J

Check it out hunters: Direct from the Brady Organization, who now hold up Jim as their poster child...

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=88508969&blogID=232431267&MyToken=418563fe-0d34-49f8-836f-f4481020a458

Tuesday, February 20, 2007

The most common killers may surprise you

Once again today, we are all struggling with reports about terrible losses of lives to gun violence. What a disturbed teenager in Utah and a tormented businessman in Pennsylvania have in common is that they had access to guns. Horrific mass killings cannot be committed with knives or baseball bats or bare fists. Weak gun laws have led to a glut of weapons on the streets. And as a result, bitter human frustrations lead to gun violence. Anger leads to killings. When will our Nation wake up and confront the tragic reality that we make it far too easy for dangerous people to have access to guns?

In Utah, two 28-year-old women, a 15-year-old girl, a 52-year-old man and 24-year-old man were killed by a shotgun-toting gunman.

Shotguns fire an extremely lethal large caliber round that delivers either a cloud of bullets (shot) or a single large slug. Sawed off and assault shotguns are popular with gangs and terrorists engaged in urban warfare- they have enormous knockdown power, and they don't even need to be aimed as the hail of shot will takes precision out of the equation. All it takes is ten minutes with a hacksaw and a shotgun can be turned into highly compact, concealable mayhem.

Shotguns used in World War One were so lethal, that governments such as Germany lobbied to ban them from organized warfare, because they were inhumane and extraordinarily dangerous.

The gun industry continues to try to market weapons such as the Jackhammer automatic shotgun, Streetsweepers, and other deadly weaponry that was deemed so dangerous, it isn't even labeled a firearm. They are destructive devices and regulated by the National Firearms Act. Does a "Destructive Device" sound like something you go duck hunting with? Unfortunately, with a few cosmetic tweaks, the same lethal weapons are manufactured for "sporting purposes."

Shotguns aren't the only deadly killer that the gun lobby has tried to wrap up in the American flag, history, and apple pie. What caliber kills more people every year in the U.S. than any other?

The .22.

22s are commonly found in three flavors. 22 short, 22 long and 22 Long Rifle. All of them are lethal. Most Saturday Night Specials come in .22 caliber. These handguns are not useful for sport or self-defense because their short barrels make them inaccurate and their low quality of construction make them dangerous and unreliable. They are, however, favored by criminals because of their low cost and easy concealability.

Let us repeat: more people are killed by the .22 every year, than any other caliber.

.22 are indeed deadly in shots to the body, because they don't go through entirely and they bounce off bones, creating more havoc. They have the ability to penetrate through gaps in law enforcement officer's kevlar, such as at the sides. If a .22 bullet enters the head, it will fatally ricochet around in the skull.

.22s are also the most easy of all the rounds to use with a silencer. They are a favorite of assassins performing mob kills, using a semi-automatic .22 or a revolver chambered in that caliber along with a silencer.

Creative criminals create penguns, cell-phone guns, knife guns, and more, all using the .22. It is truly the most dangerous of all calibers in terms of human cost per year, if not in mass and size. The tiny .22 can travel over a mile, and this fact is bragged about in promotional literature.

Many people are killed and injured by stray rounds traveling through the air and striking innocent victims, even children. Often people in the country will shoot off the back of their porch - exercising their rights, no doubt - and end up causing deadly harm to someone else's family.

Do cut-down shotguns and silenced .22s belong on our streets, or in our schools? Should criminals have a ready access to the more 'innocent' versions, ripe for conversion to more lethal configurations?

The Brady Campaign is making our stand to fight against the gun lobby, once and for all. We may not be able to eradicate murder in the human heart, but if we keep those who would terrorize our children and our malls from having easy access to deadly weapons, it will be worth it if but one child's life is saved.